Wings, Wrenches and Wisecracks with Tom McClain and Hangar Comedy

Join Paul Ward in this week’s episode of “15 Minutes with Paul Ward” as he sits down with Tom McClain, the mastermind behind Hangar Comedy. The conversation begins by unveiling Tom’s unique transition from Air Force mechanic to stand-up comedian, touching on his military camaraderie and playful pranks.

As the discussion unfolds, Tom shares insights into his early days on stage, the significance of life experiences in comedy, and what he believes makes a comedian truly great. From the origins of Hangar Comedy’s name to navigating the challenges of the “PC Crowd,” listeners get an intimate look into Tom’s journey. Discover the importance of laughter in a world in turmoil, get a sneak peek into upcoming events, and learn how Hangar Comedy creatively adapted during shutdowns. This episode is a rollercoaster of humor, resilience, and the artistry behind the laughter.

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What you’ll learn during this episode:

0:00 Introduction of our guest Tom McClain of Hanger Comedy
0:31 Tom McClain has a military background- He was a mechanic in the Air Force
1:13 How Tom McClain went from being an Air Force mechanic to a stand-up comedian
2:30 Joking around with fellow servicemen and some “PG Pranks” courtesy of Tom
4:47 Tom shares how he chose a job at a homeless shelter/receiving home for children to give him flexibility to pursue comedy
7:04 The first time on stage and how everything expanded from there
8:47 Life experiences make great comedy material
9:30 Life is a journey and material travels along with it
10:00 What makes a good comedian?
11:15 A move to Southern California forced a shift in Tom’s schedule
12:42 Where Hangar Comedy gets its name from 
13:08 Tom also started podcasting on Giggles Radio Network
13:20 “The Walkout” and what this podcast is all about
15:22 The preparation is done, it’s time to get to the stage and deliver
15:32 The high of getting laughs and the low of a silent audience, what Toms says about gaining “an audience”
17:42 The “PC Crowd” and comedy shows 
18:11 Laughter is such an important aspect of life, especially with the world in turmoil
18:38 Events that are coming up for Tom and Hangar Comedy: FEB 9 with headliner Kira Soltanovich
19:45 “Getting around” the rules when everything else was shut down
20:41 Tom tells us about when Kira Soltanovich gets on stage for the first time in a long time
21:31 Selling tables helped keep the doors open when everything else was shut down
22:30 Find out when the Hangar events are each month
23:30 Giggle Live’s website: Giggles Live Comedy and Tom McClain’s email: giggleslivesp@gmail.com
24:19 Giggle Live’s/Hangar Comedy’s contact info
24:29 A special thanks to our sponsor: Opus Escrow

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Hangar Comedy:
Located in the Historic Santa Paula Airport in The Hangar Grille
824 E Santa Maria St.
Santa Paula, CA 93060
805-651-3564
www.giggleslive.com

Contact Tom McClain:
Email: giggleslivesp@gmail.com

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805-479-5004
paul@homeandranchteam.com

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Speaker 1 (00:00):

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Paul Ward (00:03):

Hey everyone, it’s Paul Ward here, and welcome to another edition of 15 minutes. I’m very excited. Today we have a special guest, Tom McLean, a Ventura County comedian, and the owner of giggleslive.com. Tom, welcome to the show.

Tom McClain (00:19):

Good morning, Paul. Thank you for having me. I appreciate it.

Paul Ward (00:21):

Absolutely. And I’ve never interviewed a comedian before, so I’m excited about that. So, Thank you for doing this. And you were in the, the military, is that correct? You were in the Air Force?

Tom McClain (00:33):

Yeah, that’s right. In the nineties. I went in during the Desert Storm era, went into the Air Force and became an aircraft mechanic. I did sheet metal and corrosion control, and I worked on, in a shop in Hawaii at Hickam Air Force Base, so I was right there. I’m not sure if you’re familiar with Hickam Air Force Base, but it’s actually connected to Pearl Harbor, so it’s a joint base. And so I had access to Pearl Harbor and being somebody who’s into history and all that, I got to go and visit Pearl Harbor where, you know, our country changed so many years ago.

Paul Ward (01:11):

Absolutely. Well, that’s awesome. And how did you go from being a mechanic in the Air Force to now being a standup comedian,

Tom McClain (01:21):

<Laugh>Well, that’s an interesting journey. So, from being a mechanic, I did I, I did my four years of, of, you know, regular service, fulfilled my commitment, and then got out, did some work on planes for a few years, about probably about six to eight years. I, I worked as a contractor and so I would go, I lived in Seattle for a little while and I’d work on Boeing planes up there. I was lucky enough to get a couple contracts close to home at McClellan Air Force Base up there in Sacramento. And it just was something that was very difficult for me because I was, you know, I’m doing a job where I’m, you know, you’re, it’s kind of a, the same thing over and over again. And Mm-Hmm, <affirmative> I’m somebody who kind of like, has to feel like I’m creating in order to feel fulfilled. Right. And so I kind of got, had a reputation for being more interest in my talk radio device that was attached to my toolbox than actual working <laugh>. And but so I always, you were joking around

Paul Ward (02:29):

That the fellow servicemen and your coworkers.

Tom McClain (02:34):

Oh, man, we had, yeah, we were, I helped organize some, some pretty classic pranks. I’m not, there’s a few of ’em I can’t mention on here, but there was one guy that one guy that left. He was a big strong, really like a nice guy, but very, but one of those guys that overreacts when he would get upset about things and when he was, he left to go to another contract. And when he left I faked an entire poem, fake book of poems about Mama Bear and Papa Bear and put it into his locker so that when the bosses cleared out his locker, they’re like, what? This guy writes this weird poetry <laugh>. And it was an ongoing bid that they never figured out that it was me the entire time. Oh my God. But they would stand there and they’d read his poems to us at lunch. It was so great. <Laugh>.

Paul Ward (03:19):

That’s hilarious. That is crazy.

Tom McClain (03:22):

Yeah. between that and then listing items, ’cause we had a billboards and we would list items for sale, like used Christmas trees and things like that. And we’d put one of the other mechanics phone numbers on there. Like, it was always something going on with the you know, messing with people. I had a supervisor his name was Steve, I won’t say his last name, but he had this weird thing where he had to be looking at his feet when he walked. And so when he wanted to talk to me, he would look at me from across the hangar, line up, look down, line his feet, and he’d watch his feet, and he walked to me, and I knew he was walking towards me. So I would go to the opposite side of the hangar knowing that he was gonna get to where he thought I was. Look up, man, where is he?

Paul Ward (04:06):

Oh my God. That is, that is, that is crazy. So

Tom McClain (04:11):

I had another supervisor that was scared of heights and he was terrified of heights. So I would always find some kind of a problem on the up on the wing, on the, like, on the, you know, the espionage, the, the, the back of the plane. Right. And I would, I would always bring him up in that little cherry picker thing and make sure that it was bouncing real good and things like that. And so <laugh>. So it was always something I, I would say there was at least a few daily pranks.

Paul Ward (04:42):

That’s hilarious. So you kind of had it in it, in you from a, from a, you know, a young age, you know, kinda your prankster personality. And then how did that transition to, you know, being on the stage and telling jokes to strangers?

Tom McClain (04:58):

Well, it was funny when my last contract ran out and I was looking for my, my next thing, I had an offer from Aerojet that, that was a, it’s a cra aircraft maintenance, you know, company. I, everybody’s probably heard of it. And they they offered me really good money to go work on airplanes again. But I also had two other offers. I had an offer Verizon to go work as it was something that was really outside of my wheelhouse and didn’t interest me, but it paid Okay. Mm-Hmm. <affirmative>. And then I had an offer to work at this this homeless shelter for kids that didn’t pay hardly anything at all. Right. In fact, I think it might have been nine bucks an hour or something like that. Oh yeah. So, yeah, I took that job though because I felt like that job was the one that was gonna give me the most freedom to get into what I really wanted to do.

Tom McClain (05:50):

You know, I wanted some time to do some writing. I wanted to be able to attend all my sporting events that I, I like to go to the, you know, the hours weren’t accommodating for that with I was a basketball fan, NBA Sacramento Kings Mm-Hmm. <Affirmative> season tickets. And the Aerojet job would’ve required me to work evenings, which means I’d miss all the basketball games. And I was like, I don’t think that’s gonna work. Right. You know, priorities. So I took the job at the children’s receiving home, and I, you know, worked really hard there. And I did, worked on some of my writing whenever I had some downtime. And then it kind of got to where comedy, you know, actually started comedy while I was there and comedy, and that kinda worked really well together. And then there was a point where I was making more money at comedy than I was there, and I had kind of risen the ranks a little bit and was a supervisor at the receiving home. So it kind of got to where I needed to make a decision. And so I ended up leaving the receiving home just to do comedy. And it was, you know, it’s always a tough decision when you’re, when you’re betting on yourself like that, but Right. It worked out pretty good, at least for the time being. It did <laugh>.

Paul Ward (07:02):

Right, right. And so you’re taking that leap of faith that you’re gonna go out and, you know, be a entrepreneur essentially. Right. Because you’re getting paid to stand on stage now and tell jokes to strangers. Yeah. What was that, what was that like the first time?

Tom McClain (07:19):

Well, the first time I actually went on stage, let’s see, the first time I went on stage, I was nervous, but like, I just felt like I had to do it. And so it wasn’t, I didn’t let the, the nerves get in the way. I think the nerves got more like in the following weeks as I started trying to pursue it, because then it was like, started to matter. Right. I think the first time you’re just kinda like, well, if it doesn’t work, then I, I’ll know. But I got three really good laughs in my five minutes at an open mic, which, if you’ve ever been to an open mic, that’s pretty miraculous to get three good laughs or to have somebody that gets three good laughs. Right. And the owner of the comedy club there in Sacramento, Steve, he he, he took no to me.

Tom McClain (08:07):

And he told me that he wanted to start working me into the rotation as a regular mc. And so, like within my first few months of comedy, I had two weeks a month MCing at that club. And then within a year or so, he purchased another club in San Francisco called The Green Room. Mm-Hmm. <affirmative>. And I was able to do two weeks a month in Sacramento and one week a month in San Francisco. And then that other weekend or two, I would just travel. I would go do gigs up in Oregon or Washington or, you know, I, one of the neighboring states. I never went really too far away, especially earlier on for

Paul Ward (08:45):

Sure. And your material was coming from your experiences that you had? I mean, obviously in the military and being a prankster.

Tom McClain (08:54):

Yeah. Well, a lot, lot of my material was just about having fun and partying, and that was, you know, part of my evolution as a comedian. So I started out and I joked a lot about partying and drinking and stuff like that. And and now I talk more about my kids and my relationship with them and things like that, and things that people might think matter a little bit more, I guess. Right. But but you know, you kind of grow up on the stage just like you grow up in real life. So it was, you know, right. It’s cool to go back and watch old videos and go, wow, that’s where I was at <laugh>. Right.

Paul Ward (09:29):

It, it just, your, your life is a, is a journey and your unique material is, you know, changing along with it.

Tom McClain (09:36):

Yeah. The best part is when somebody comes up that hasn’t seen me in a long time and they ask me to do one of those old jokes that doesn’t really fit who I am now. Like, right. I’m not gonna talk about drinking all night. And I mean, last time I had a beer was like, probably two years ago. I don’t even <laugh>. Like, I don’t even casually drink anymore. It’s just not, I don’t, not interested anymore. Right. So it’s kind of funny.

Paul Ward (09:57):

What, what makes a good comedian? Why do some people make it, you know, and others, I guess like any industry, some people make it big and some don’t, but what, what do you think kind of captures the imagination of the audience that some, some, you know, do really well?

Tom McClain (10:12):

I think what makes a good comedian is somebody who is able to really reveal who they are, who’s able to actually kind of allow themselves to be vulnerable. Mm-Hmm. <Affirmative> in front of an audience to where the audience could feel connected. ’cause The audience members, I think in any, any time an audience member is at a comedy show, they feel vulnerable. There’s always like, oh, am I gonna get picked on? Am I gonna understand the jokes? Am I gonna feel like I wasted my money by coming and watching the comedian tonight? So I think when the comedians are allow, allow themselves to be a little bit vulnerable, and they’re able to like, connect with the audience, I think that that’s what makes a good comedian. And as far as the Hollywood thing, I, I’m not sure how they decide. I think that that’s pretty I’m not sure how those decisions are made as far as who gets elevated and all of those kind of things. Right. otherwise I wouldn’t be sitting in my room on a <laugh> <laugh>.

Paul Ward (11:11):

You’d be down there right now?

Tom McClain (11:13):

Well, I, well, the truth is, when I, so I was traveling a lot when, ’cause we moved down to Southern California, and so working, you know, three weeks in Northern California was no longer an option for me. So I moved away from where most of my work was. And being that, you know, it’s a showcase town where people are trying to get famous, there’s not a lot of paid work, and the paid work is usually pays less. So I got to where I started touring a little more and I’d go out and, you know, I’d, I’d spend a lot of time in like, the gambling cities and stuff. And and then when my kids were born, when my son was born, I just started having a really hard time with being away. And that’s when I, I kind of came back off the road, was lucky enough to land a a, a local radio job in that same period of time where I was on, on the air with Spence over at KBTA for a little bit over four years.

Tom McClain (12:04):

And it was like a good perfect time in my life to have that kind of a thing happen. So, and then I was able to still do a little bit of local comedy. That’s why I came up with the whole giggles Comedy Club thing. Now we go by the name, the Hanger Hanger Comedy. Mm-Hmm. But it, it’s one of those ways that I go out. I could still go do new stuff on stage. I could still, you know, connect with the people that wanna follow me. But I also bring in a big headliner, like a friend, somebody that I picked up along the way in my comedy path. Mm-Hmm. <Affirmative>, who’s a really amazing comedian. And I just bring him to Santa Paula or whatever small town we’re doing the shows at.

Paul Ward (12:41):

Right. And you call it Hangar Comedy ’cause you’re at the Santa Paula Airport at one of the hangers. Yeah.

Tom McClain (12:46):

Yep. We, we do our shows at the Hangar Bar and Grill. And so I think Hanger Comedy just kind of fits it just right. ’cause You’re looking out and you’re, you’re seeing airplanes. If you look out the window, you know, while you’re watching the show during the summer, we do the shows outside. So you’re right there and the planes are right over your shoulders. It’s just a, a really cool place to do it. So I enjoy it. That’s

Paul Ward (13:06):

Awesome. And you started a podcast, A Giggles podcast?

Tom McClain (13:10):

Yeah, I have a couple podcasts under the Giggles banner. The Giggles Radio Network banner. My favorite podcast that I work on is the Walkout. I do with my buddy Mark the Menace Young. He’s a MMA fighter and a coach. And a lot of what the concept is, is we’re, we’re dads and we’re trying to like, balance everything. And the walkout is when you’re watching a fight, that’s when the fighters got the music going on and they’re just trying to make their way to the stage. You know, when you, when you go to a comedy show, you see the comedians, they say the comedian’s name, they come outta the green room or whatever, and they make their way to the stage. So the walkout is basically about all the preparation that went into that moment. ’cause Not everybody can take that walk. Not everybody can make that walkout, but there’s a lot in that moment.

Tom McClain (13:59):

‘Cause You’ve, everything you’ve prepared for is just for that walk. And so we thought walkout was kind of a good, good way to kind of just describe the whole process because, you know, everybody, everybody sees when the lights are on, everybody sees the fights and everybody sees the comedians going up there, but they don’t see all the stuff that leads into it. They don’t see the, you know, hours of tireless writing or the, the times you, you try something out on stage and it bombs or they don’t, you know, they don’t get to experience the family members that don’t believe that you, you know, <laugh> or a normal, you know, giver to society just because you do something that’s so off the wall to them, you know? Right. So the, you know, and trying to balance family and all that kind of stuff. So it’s kind of like, just a little insight into that is, is kind of the concept.

Paul Ward (14:55):

Right. That’s, that’s interesting. I never, I never thought about that before. So you’re, you’re walking out on the stage and it’s kind of that, that moment that you’ve prepared for like a fighter, right? Mm-Hmm. <Affirmative>. And you’re just, you know, living in the moment and, you know, how’s the audience gonna receive this? And, you know, you’ve done your, your preparation and, you know, you’re about to, about to find out.

Tom McClain (15:18):

Yeah. It’s like that only moment where you’re, you’re just, you know, the preparation’s done. You’ve just gotta get to the stage and deliver. So that, that, that moment is kind of, it’s, it’s a, it’s a heavy moment.

Paul Ward (15:31):

Right. What’s it like? I mean, you know, it’s such a, the unknown, right? You don’t know how the audience is gonna respond. Like you mentioned you had the five minute gig and you got three laughs in five minutes, which is unusual. Right. And there that must be the total high Right. Of the job. And then the ex other extreme would be, oh my God, my material’s bombing, you know, <laugh>, I, I miscued this audience. Right. What do I do to turn it around

Tom McClain (16:00):

<Laugh>? Well, I think for one, I think that a lot of times you just have to accept the fact that, you know, less than 50% of any audience is really gonna be your audience. That’s why it’s, it’s really hard to find your audience. I think that’s when you see comedians that are able to pack out arenas and theaters, they figured out, they figured out how to reach their audience, you know, and that’s their audience that’s showing up to see ’em. But when you’re out here and you’re just kind of like doing shows and trying to get, you know, as much stage time as you can, you are, you know, I mean, I have, I, I think that I have an audience. I think there’s some people that follow me. Mm-Hmm. <affirmative>. But it’s not, you know, it’s not big enough to sell an arena.

Tom McClain (16:47):

I’m not on that anywhere near that level, obviously. Sure. But I think anytime that you’re dealing with that, where you’re going in front of an audience that might not necessarily be yours, there’s a risk of it not being great. And I think early on I kind of just figured that a show that doesn’t go the way I want it to is probably just a mismatch more than anything. Right. I don’t think it, I don’t look at it as oh, you know, my, my skills as a comedian are declining or whatever, you know? I still feel like for the most part, most shows go really well. I feel like most shows are are pretty amazing. But every once in a while you get one of those positions where a bunch of people are around their bosses and they don’t, you know what I mean? They don’t wanna, they don’t wanna let loose. Right. And usually you can figure out why. And you can’t figure out why. Then you’re probably in the wrong business. <Laugh>.

Paul Ward (17:41):

The p the PC crowd has to, you know, behave in front of their employer.

Tom McClain (17:46):

Oh, yeah. Yeah. The PC crowds are the worst. That’s the, the <laugh> worst <laugh> when people are going to comedy, looking to nitpick, looking for a reason to complain. That’s, that’s always a good one. You walk out and somebody’s already got their arms crossed before you even say anything. Yeah. It’s interesting. Like, while you’re really in a receptive stance, <laugh>. Right.

Paul Ward (18:03):

It’s interesting too, I think, you know, comedy is a, you know, it’s an industry, right. And laughing is such an important part of life and, you know, the world is in total turmoil and it’s nice to have some escapism and, you know, it’s still important to laugh even when, you know, the world is burning all around us.

Tom McClain (18:24):

I think you’re right. And I think that most comedians are able to convey that and they’re able to say, Hey, look, everything’s going on around us, but let’s just have some fun in the meantime, you know? Right,

Paul Ward (18:36):

Right. So you’ve got some events coming up at the hangar. What do you have going on?

Tom McClain (18:42):

So we have one show a month at the hangar. Our next show coming up is February 9th. That’s gonna be with a very talented Kiro Sovich. Kira was the voice of the photo booth on the Tonight Show with Jay Leno. Oh, wow. Yeah. So she did the, and she improvised all that, you know, and she messed with people as they came in. She still works with Jay on the show that he has now. She’s kind of been, been working alongside Jay Leno for like, this entire time. But she was one of the comedians, I’ve known her for over 20 years. We worked together at a club years and years ago when we were both openers. And she was just somebody that you’d see and you knew that she was gonna be something special. And she is, and she works a lot.

Tom McClain (19:30):

And she’s I’m, I’m excited to have her back to, to Santa Paula. The last time we had her in Santa Paula was during the Pandemic. And I don’t know if you know, but during the pandemic we decided we were just gonna kind of keep doing shows and then, you know, ask for forgiveness if we were got in trouble. Right. Because everything was shut down and people needed to get out. So I kind of came up with a system where I was selling tables instead of tickets. Uhhuh <affirmative>. So you can get a table, let’s say you ha you, you know, you and your family are quarantine, but there’s six of you, you’re all in the same house. Well, I get you a pod where six people can sit and then you’re 10 feet away from everybody else. You know, we had the way we had it where the, the entrance was the back of the restaurant, so we could walk people through without having any contact with anybody.

Tom McClain (20:16):

Right. And we, we had really big shows and people really appreciated it because there wasn’t a lot going on and nobody was willing to take that risk. And we even had like some law enforcement in uniform that came and attended the shows. Well, you’re like scared when they’re walking up going, oh, shut us down. But and, and, but Kira had not been on stage in over a year, and I remember she was really nervous. And I go, well just go out and do a little bit and if it, if you feel like it’s too much, then just you stop. I go, nobody’s gonna really expect everybody to come out of this, given their best show. They just want us to try. You know? Right. And then she got up there and I knew that she wasn’t gonna just go do a couple minutes ’cause I, she’s an incredible talent. Right, right. She got up there and she did an hour, and afterwards she was like, I’m so glad I did this. She goes, I can’t believe, you know, that I felt like I almost didn’t have it or, or whatever. You know, she was, she was very grateful for the, for the, being able to get on stage after being so long. ’cause You, you kind of need that. That’s one of the ways you work out your stuff. <Laugh>, you know what I mean? <Laugh>. Right,

Paul Ward (21:26):

Right. And that’s, and that’s awesome that she did that and super smart of you to, you know, sell tables.

Tom McClain (21:31):

Yeah. Well that’s the, that was, I just wanted to, I wanted to be able to put together shows and not give them anything to complain about, you know? ’cause There was the people that were, and, and I still got the, I still got the comments, oh, enjoy your super spreader.

Paul Ward (21:49):

Of course, of course. <Laugh>,

Tom McClain (21:51):

I almost changed the comedy name to the Super spreader, but I thought it might bring too much attention to it. Right. But yeah, that’s, you know, but we never, never had an issue. We kept, we only maybe went like four or five months without doing the shows. Like I said, we did ’em outside and never had a complaint. Never had, oh my goodness. So and so and so and so everybody got sick this week. Not once We did everything went well. We even took temperatures for a little while of people coming in it. We did it kind of as a gag, but then we realized, Hey, this isn’t so bad because people seem to be relieved of it. So we’re like, okay, we’ll keep doing it. Right.

Paul Ward (22:28):

<Laugh>, that’s smart. Real quick is the are the Hangar events the same day each month? How, I mean, you said you had do it monthly. Is it like the, a certain Friday of the month or a certain Saturday of the month?

Tom McClain (22:42):

We used to do the last Friday of the month, but then I started to realize that if I wanted the headliners that I wanted, I would kind of have to go with their schedule because I kind, it kind of got to where I was pigeon toed into this one weekend available. And then I’m going, calling 15 people, are you available that weekend? So what I did with with Brian Kellen, who we had last month, is just an incredible comic. Okay. What, what weekends do you have available? And he had happened to have a weekend available that worked really good with my schedule. So we did it had a great show. Same thing with Kara. Hey, what weekends do you have available? This was the only weekend she had available. So that’s, that’s what we’re gonna do. And so I’m just kind of letting the headliner kind of dictate what, when our, when our shows are.

Paul Ward (23:29):

Gotcha. So what, what would the website be or the or the email be that folks could reach out and find out more information?

Tom McClain (23:36):

The website’s giggles live.com. You can find out all about the the comedy shows there. It’ll have the latest tickets, latest posters and all that stuff. And you wanted to email me? My email is giggles live sp@gmail.com.

Paul Ward (23:52):

Awesome. Well, Tom McQuain, thank you so much. This has been wonderful and informative and, and entertaining and I’m, I’m sure our audience will, will appreciate it. So thank you so much.

Tom McClain (24:03):

Thanks for having me on Paul. Go 49 ERs.

Paul Ward (24:06):

Absolutely. That’s right. Go Niners.

Tom McClain (24:09):

<Laugh>.